January 24th, 2007
|09:49 pm - No Pink Ponies e-mail drama|
So, check it out...
From E-mailer to me:
I just wanted to write and inform you that you've lost a devout reader.I know you're busy, we're all busy, but I cannot rely on you to updateyour comic on time. I haven't been able to for a while. I'm not writingthis to be rude, just to let you know that you risk losing readerssoon. This little comic may not mean much to you, but the whole idea ofwebcomics is to get more and more readers, more followers. It bringsattention to your writing and drawing abilities, so that when you moveonto better things, those fans are eager to followyou. All NPP has brought to my attention is your utter inability tomake an update on time. I've waited longer than I should, andpatiently, but I'm just going to stick to a comic like Wapsi Square,because frankly, it has a better storyline, and Paul Taylor manages tofaithfully update Monday through Friday.
My reply to e-mailer:
Thank you for your e-mail telling me that I suck and I don't have acommittment especially not when I have a job to go to and a family thatI need to take care of and doing free comics for people to read onlinewhere I really get almost nothing back for it is clearly what I shouldbe doing. Forget the fact that I need to eat, pay bills and actuallyLIVE with the money I get from my job, no, I must do the comic that Iget no money back and I was just doing for the love of drawing comicsto please people who's getting it for free.
Oh, I am so dreadful for not appeasing the masses that is mooching offmy comics for free. I mean, clearly, I was doing the comic so that Ican get more fans and attention and not because I love to draw comics.You know me so well despite me never even knowing of your existence. Iam so sorry for not being able to please you and for the fact thatyou're leaving my comic. I am a horrible person and losing you clearlyare a big huge loss for me because I'm getting nothing for the comic inthe first place.
I have learned my lesson and I have been spanked hard by your e-mail...I am now sulking in the corner sitting regretfully for losing a devoutreader who didn't know me BEFORE No Pink Ponies where I have beenonline and drawing comics for the past ten years... I am burned and Ifeel your sting...
E-mailer's awesome rebuttal:
Be as sarcastic, and try to be as witty as you can. Really. But I'msure Paul Taylor has a family to feed, and his little boy has medicalproblems on top of it. If you can't handle the commitment, maybe youshouldn't make one in the first place.
To which I reply:
Why are you comparing me to him? Do you know he has a different lifethan I do? Do you know he gets money from Wapsi Square? He works OFFWapsi Square, he can live off it. I don't. My comic does not get me anymoney. Do you even read his author's page? He's working on Wapsi SquareFULL TIME, I'm not.
There are MANY webcomics out there that misses longer than I do, I'monly missing one week since my last update and you're comparing me to aman who's working full-time on a webcomic. Well, I'm sorry, I can't dothe same thing cos, guess what, I need money. Paul Taylor is getting money from updating Wapsi Square. I have a different life than his, youknow.
I just can't afford to do the same thing he does, there are circumstances that avoids me from doing it.
And she comes back:
Yeah, I guess it just comes down to the fact that he's good at what hedoes, and you aren't. Whatever, I'm not e-mailling you to stir up shit.Just wanted to let you know that you suck at updating your comic, oreven letting people know that you're taking an extra week off. It'sinconsiderate of the people that go to your site every mon, wed, fri,looking for your latest update, only to be met with some half-assed,unfunny comic.
To which I say:
Gee, how long does it take you to go to my website? 10 minutes at most?See if there's anything new? Nothing new? Then what do you do? Oh,usually, if I went to a webcomic I like and it doesn't update, do youknow what I do? I go to another website! Or oh... heaven forbid, livemy life!
I dunno about you, but I find telling people they suck at something,whatever it is, is stirring up shit. I might just be telling someonethat they suck at sitting down and that pretty much will still strip upshit, you know.
I find the fact that you're complaining so much about my not updatingmy comic and then proceed to calling it half-assed and unfunny verycontradicting... hey, you know what people usually do when they thinksomething is half-assed and unfunny? They don't become devout to it.
She doth replieth:
you're the one that keeps writing me back. Did I hit a nerve?
To which I answer:
Nahhh, but it's really more like I'm writing back out of customary... Ilike to reply my fan's e-mails even if it's spouting hate and insults.I admit, my first e-mail to your was sarcasm, but the ones after thatis to explain to you my whole situation but somehow, you seem to thinkthat webcomic artists have to cater to all your needs and wants anywayand that we should drop all our lives to entertain you, so eh, what canI do? I tried explaining, you wouldn't understand, if that's the way itis then that's it then...
This e-mail kinda tells me that you don't seem to want me to e-mailback... I mean, to be fair, you wrote me first, so it's really like,did I hit a nerve on you... what? cos of my not updating? You could'veend it by not replying to sarcasm mail, but you did, so really... did Ihit a nerve on you then? And then, you replied again on another e-mailI sent explaining my situation... so... did I hit a nerve on you thentoo? Seriously, you wanna say, I'm the one that keeps writing back,well, same goes to you... I mean, look at this e-mail you just sent...it doesn't even justify anything I said in the e-mail before... it'slike playgroun kids saying, "Well I'm rubber and you're glue" *Boing**Fwip* baby, *Boing* *Fwip*
Well, okay, clearly, you don't want me to e-mail back, I'll respectthat by not replying to your reply after this... deal? Even if youspout the hate, I will not reply, even if every bone in my body wantsto reply, i will not reply... yay!
And finally, the last e-mail as she clearly replied cos I won't reply:
Only because you promise not to reply. ;)
Actually, you chooseto think I don't understand, because you didn't like what I had to say.You've got me pegged in your head as a total entitlement whore orsomething, and apparently you think I have nothing better to do, and nocommitments of my own, than to just sit here and whine and wait for youto update your comic. If you honestly believe that, I pity you. Ifthere were a big banner somewhere on the main NPP page that kinda readsas a disclaimer "Warning: this comic means nothing to me. Updates willbe infrequent, and sometimes rushed because I can't be bothered tocare." I could've saved you all this e-mail headache, I never would'veread it to begin with.
The only reason I wrote in the first place was because I liked the storyline, and the infrequent updates are unfair to your fans. Ifthe comic means nothing to you, why not just wrap it up and end it? Isuspect because you like the praise. You got one unsatisfied fan (thatyou know of, at least. Who knows how many just stopped waiting for youto update and found a better comic?), and it upset you. But hey, atleast it got you to update. I was just hoping the last NPP comic I wasever going to read would've been better than that. I should've knownbetter. That said, you can go about getting over it already, because Ilost any will to communicate with you a long time ago, it was just adisappointment.
And this marks the end of the drama I guess... I'm a man of my word, I will not reply...
Hey, I said I won't reply, I didn't say I wasn't going to put it online...
|Date:||January 23rd, 2007 01:24 pm (UTC)|| |
This reminds me of the Abandoned Taiko Adventure; even though the show is FREE-OF-CHARGE, those who show up stir up noise because they feel 'entitled' to be the only one to access the show the way they'd like to. Not sorry at all they had to wait a four-hour long queue :P
IMO, someone who gets her knickers severely in a bunch over one missed webcomic update need to back away from the PC and take up an offline hobby. Or a job. Better yet, a life.
|Date:||January 23rd, 2007 03:08 pm (UTC)|| |
Amen to that!
People sometimes just take things for granted... it's too bad but it is how it is...
|Date:||January 23rd, 2007 01:38 pm (UTC)|| |
Jeez what a rude person.I mean theres tons of webcomics out there and not evey one can update on time cause people have LIVES.
Besides if i read a webcomic that doesnt update all the time i always end up coming back a few weeks later and reading whatevers been updated i dont go emailing them to harras them T^T.
|Date:||January 23rd, 2007 01:56 pm (UTC)|| |
Re: agh T^T
"Besides if i read a webcomic that doesnt update all the time i always end up coming back a few weeks later and reading whatevers been updated"
I do that too, even with a few of my favourite offline comics (eg. One Piece). I find that witholding for as long as I can and then binge-read the comic volumes at one go is just as satisfying, especially when individually they end with cliffhangers :D
seriously whats with people? why go out of ones way to be so rude. geez.. and well you update no pink ponies A LOT, and the quality of the art alone is worth the wait.
|Date:||January 23rd, 2007 03:14 pm (UTC)|| |
Internet makes people think that the art websites and the people who draws are responsible for their entertainment. It makes them think that we have to cater to their needs when they need it. It's like the e-mailer said, "If you can't handle the commitment, maybe you shouldn't make one in the first place.", I mean, forget the fact that we're doing it out of love and not because we wanna show it but because we wanna share it, no, we shouldn't put it up if we can't show free committment.
Sigh, people can be such whiners....
They forget (or don't care) that only a few cartoonists actually LIVE on their comics and 99% still have a job and some are still in high school or similar...
And even people who live with their comic are entitled to take time off.
At least he didn't join the forum just to say how much he hates the comic...
But yeah, what the hell is wrong with this guy he says he loves it and now he hates it?
|Date:||January 23rd, 2007 03:07 pm (UTC)|| |
Guy's a girl though... the e-mailer, I mean, is a she...
Never heard of that Wapsi thing. I don't like the art but I'm not going to email the guy and tell him he sucks for not drawing the way I want. That's just lame. Mr. Devout can go screw.
|Date:||January 23rd, 2007 03:12 pm (UTC)|| |
Oh, but I do agree with the e-mailer, Wapsi Square does have a fun and enjoyable storyline (hell, i think it's better than NPP too)... cool combination of the supernatural and slice of life...
I like how this guy thinks having a webcomic is some responsibility and you /have/ to keep it up. It's not a fucking puppy, it's a webcomic!
|Date:||January 23rd, 2007 03:11 pm (UTC)|| |
Some people think other people's lives revolves around them...
"I'm totally reading this for free but gosh durnit, the guy needs to update it cos I wanna read it dang it! I don't care if I'm not paying the guy, he should drop everything and update update update!"
|Date:||January 23rd, 2007 03:10 pm (UTC)|| |
I'll settle with number 1... hopefully, fulfilling that will change their lives enough to not need to die in five well fires
|Date:||January 23rd, 2007 03:07 pm (UTC)|| |
They give my life meaning!
|Date:||January 23rd, 2007 02:23 pm (UTC)|| |
Wow, entitlement much? I can't believe some people can be so ungrateful.
You're a lot nicer in your replies than I would have been :x
|Date:||January 23rd, 2007 03:07 pm (UTC)|| |
I try not to be an asshole in my e-mails... well, not anymore anyways, god knows I've been enough of an asshole on my homepages, blogs and e-mails in the past... but leaving all those days behind me...
I think she likes you. Let her down easy. ;)
|Date:||January 23rd, 2007 03:09 pm (UTC)|| |
I'll try my best, ha ha ha!
obligatory comment regarding fan's stupidity, followed by agreement with your side of things.
|Date:||January 23rd, 2007 03:06 pm (UTC)|| |
Are you an illusion created by a Knight's father's ghost so that you can roam freely without being persecuted by the Paladins?!?
Ha ha ha ha, sorry, I think I've been reading too much Order of the Sticks.
I have no idea why you respond to these people. Or read what they have to say.
You should just post the email to your front page and say "that's it I quit" and see what happens. >:3
|Date:||January 23rd, 2007 03:05 pm (UTC)|| |
I respond to them cos sometimes, it's just something to respond to...
If I put the whole e-mail on the front page and do the whole "that's it I quit" thing, it's like I'm trying to ask for attention or something, like the guy who announced that he wants to commit suicide but not really wanting to do that cos all he wants is just someone to stop him from doing it. That's just something I don't do (anymore, past thing, buried and done, ha ha ha ha)...
Plus, I find doing that to be more low than responding to the person.
Oh wow o__o! Damn.. if she's (she?) so mad about a week without up date she should see some other webcomics that are around where the person only updates once a month because that's how much they can do with you know... LIFE making them do other things XD!!!
But wtf?? Does this happen often? o__O coz if it does... wow... that sortah sucks... I mean not that I'd care if I lost someone like THAT as a reader but come on.. that's just plain stupid...
|Date:||January 23rd, 2007 04:43 pm (UTC)|| |
Nah, it doesn't happen often... if it does, I wouldn't have posted this in the first place cos of the regularity of it's occurences ^o^
|Date:||January 23rd, 2007 03:29 pm (UTC)|| |
You could have done your reply in the form of a comic update, hehe.
Guess the internet always gets all sorts of people. Especially people who are both weird and rude.
|Date:||January 23rd, 2007 04:44 pm (UTC)|| |
Ah hah! I see your plan! But funny you mention the comic updating... cos it's gonna happen soon...
|Date:||January 23rd, 2007 04:09 pm (UTC)|| |
ARGH. I hate people sometimes.
It's *your* comic. You are not under contract or obligated in anyway to update it! If you choose to go five *years* between updates, that's your prerogative.
|Date:||January 23rd, 2007 04:45 pm (UTC)|| |
Technically I am under contract to update via the Keenspot contract, but I think it's like "If I don't update in 2 months straight without prior notification" and stuff... not one week...
Heh. It's gotta be a troll who wants to rile ya up just to get your attention. That, or she's a rabid fan who thinks throwing insults at you will make you fall in love with her.
Either way, she should be filed under 'People Ya Oughta Get the Friggin' Hell Away From and Not Feed with Emails Anymore'. :P
|Date:||January 23rd, 2007 04:46 pm (UTC)|| |
Sometimes, it's good also to feed e-mails to them... I mean, yeah, it's sort of falling into their level, but seriously, in my e-mails, I was really just explaining things and did not shoot profanities in their direction or anything like that... of course, my first reply was pretty sarcastic, so i understand that it was a bad reaction in the first place, ha ha ha ha
|Date:||January 23rd, 2007 04:24 pm (UTC)|| |
I still check back on webcomics that haven't updated in half a year 'cause I like them. Hell, I've even gone nearly a month without updating due to real life getting in the way.
If fans want an update so badly, I say they can Paypal a couple bucks to get it drawn. ^_~
|Date:||January 23rd, 2007 04:48 pm (UTC)|| |
Ahhh, sadly, I am not able to get any Paypal money and/or account currently... in fact, even if I do, I can't do the transfer between Paypal and my bank account cos my Malaysian bank Account isn't registered with Paypal... alasss
|Date:||January 23rd, 2007 04:25 pm (UTC)|| |
Firstly, never attack your fans, even ex-fans, even in self-defense. Best advice I've ever gotten.
Secondly, if you do attack them, don't post about it or do it in public. What this person is saying truly disgusts me, and if I had received a similar letter when I was part-time and unpaid, I would have gotten pissed as well. But it would be wiser to have said nothing or to have just smiled and said, "Well, all right. Just remember, good things are worth waiting for ;)" Now this person has ammo with which they can bitch about you relentlessly. Bad publicity, although better than no publicity, is still pretty shitty in the inbred, close-knit comics community. You put the whole thing on LJ without filters no less, so Google will archive it, and years from now the whole thing could be an embarassment to you. I've been in a similar situation. It's not worth it. Instead of sinking to the level of this impatient person who obviously wasn't so big a fan that she could appreciate hard work, it would have been better to spend your time making comics. She's not a reader anymore, so she doesn't matter. Only your readers matter. Remember that.
In the future, try to just brush it off and plow forward. This sort of thing is not worth the time, the stress, the karma or the electrons.
|Date:||January 23rd, 2007 04:41 pm (UTC)|| |
Nah, for me, it doesn't matter, it might be archived to the years but like I said before, I'm not doing comics for a popularity contest... I do it out of pure love for it and I just want to share that love. Whether or not people read it doesn't really matter that much to me cos what does matter to me is that people I care about likes it. And so far so good on that one, ha ha ha ha.
Whilst it is good advice to not attack or respond to this kind of thing, but for me, I believe more in making a stand for myself... like I said, my comic is not done for popularity, so if this thing gets all public and gives me bad publicity, it doesn't matter to me, what does is people that I love and care for. Readers who read it and understands my situation, good then, those who don't, well, it's not a loss to me if they're not people I care for in the first place...
Here's another letter for you:
I completely love your comic! Sometimes I check every day to see if there's an update, but sometimes I don't check any comics at all for a week because I'm just so busy with all the other things I have to do in life. If I'm too busy to spend 10 minutes reading all the webcomics I love, then I can just imagine how hard it would be to update all the time, which takes far more than 10 minutes, when you've got your own life too.
So there. :)
Though actually, I suppose it could be good to know that not updating loses some readers if that's something you're concerned about. Like if you were personally planning on using NPP to work up to becoming the next PvP or something. However, that's all shit for you to know inside your own head and it isn't really anybody else's business. At this juncture it's a free comic, and if going "CLICK" on your bookmarks once a day is too much work for somebody then whatever.
And calling up Paul Taylor and his family problems?! That's insanely tacky on that reader's part - you're not Pablo, you're Eisu, and I can't imagine that Pablo would be real stocked to hear that people are using him and his personal issues as ammunition in starting a petty catfight with another webcartoonist, just to tell said webcartoonist that they suck. Of course, that's just a guess and I don't want to intrude on Pablo's personal space bubble either....
So yeah. Patiently waiting for more NPP goodness. :)
|Date:||January 23rd, 2007 04:49 pm (UTC)|| |
Thank you for the encouraging letter ^^ Appreciate the support.
I guess to some people, clicking on a link and going to a page and seeing it not updated (which will take about 5 minutes max on a 56k modem connection) is a huge inconvenience in their lives...
Ok I will be one to admit I don't have time read your comic. I am sorry about that. But I do realise how much work it takes to balance mutliply things at once that all need proper attention. Grad School does that ^__^
BUT I understand you are not going to be able to make every update, and I really don't see that as a problem on my end. We all get this to happen. SO ANYWAY, I know the real fans of your comic, and fans of your work in general, are going to be there thick and thin.
|Date:||January 24th, 2007 12:31 am (UTC)|| |
It's cool yo, I mean, like I said, I put on NPP for those who wants to and have the time to read it, I didn't do it cos "Ohhh shits, Sinfest and PA makes thousands cos they gots all the kind of people readin' their comics! I want them mad benjamins too!" or for any popularity contest... those who can, can ^^
|Date:||January 23rd, 2007 05:01 pm (UTC)|| |
Heh. Have you seen the letters that Randy Milholland gets and shares? People are weird. I think some pathetic folks send these trying to get mentioned. On the other hand, this kind of mail means you are kinda internet famous now. I'd kill to get email like this. ^_^
|Date:||January 24th, 2007 12:33 am (UTC)|| |
Randy Millholland sounds familiar... what webcomic does he do?
There are some possibilities that people send this so that the webcomic artist will update... it's like, "See? I threaten to leave and the guy updates"... now, sadly, I have done tomorrow's update, but I did it, finished it and uploaded it before I got her e-mail... the thing is, she's probably gonna think it was her e-mail that tiggered it... oh well...
What a twunt.
the whole idea ofwebcomics is to get more and more readers, more followers.
|Date:||January 24th, 2007 12:36 am (UTC)|| |
I know! Right? What? I'm doing webcomics to build a cult or something? Haaa-yeeesh...
Behind hate... is love?
Look at it this way - If she didn't like your comic so much, she wouldn't be so crushed. So it's kind of a warped compliment. Eyeah...
But I understand how you feel. That is a very hurtful email. I don't know how I would react in your situation.
|Date:||January 24th, 2007 12:34 am (UTC)|| |
Ha ha ha ha, yeaaaah... warped compliment ^o^
Repeated Statement: Yay! Winx Chix! <3<3<3
Hmm... putting the pieces together, I just realised the mails happened almost in real time, so it's kinda like she(?) was actually just trying to get some quality time chatting with her (ex-)favourite webcomic artist. Hell, I never try to get that much talktime with ya online for fear of bothering doing work and stuff.
this'll be the last time I ever read your -bleeped-
It's been a week and still no comics - I don't deserve it?
- Web version of Stan